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and the senate majority leader's office and john boehner's office, the house republicans. but so far what we've seen, at least in the principal, is really just highlighting the differences and how stark the differences are. yes, there have been some republicans who have publicly said they are open to poe tengts tax increases, revenue increases, but even more so we're seeing this entrenchment over the military spending cuts, the unwilling nness to see that and we're seeing on the democratic side the idea that maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we went over the fiscal cliff and kicked the can down the road to the next congress which will be more favorable from the liberal perspective to negotiating on these big picture issues. frankly, i think it would be harder to have a compromise on son-in-law of the entitlement reform that republicans want to see, at least some movement before they will agree before this talk of raising taxes will be anything more than the lip service that you mentioned. >> okay. so ken is suggesting there it's in republicans' interests to do a deal now. jared, the white house
. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the republicans are in a shocking amount of disarray right now. the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what mitt romney and paul ryan were campaigning on and sort of by default it has become their opening negotiation position. >> i see. so their opening position is the one that was vigorously debated and comprehensively defeated just three weeks ago. i guess the only question now is, wh
've been defeated on this. what has to change is their attitude on this. >> oh, is john boehner going to be pissed when he finds out mitt romney lost the election. if they let him out of that time machine, he might be something. the thing i find humorous about this, as well as about the whole issue of taxes and whether or not we should repeal the bush tax cuts, is that republicans do seem to have decided that the election that just happened didn't really happen. and that they are going to propose pretty much all of mitt romney's ideas as their negotiating starting point. well, we just -- >> we needed paul ryan actually to help get the job done. >> even having paul ryan talk about it. it's amazing. they decided while mitt romney lost the election, his ideas, they think won. i don't know how they get there. >> i feel like what they're trying to do is say, we lost, never mind but we're going to keep doing what we do. if we keep saying it enough, maybe -- >> i read that -- john boehner's op-ed pretty carefully. here's one thing he said. he said there are three ways to take down obama care
the republicans agree with the president? well, that about turned speaker john boehner's blood into a red river valley of rage. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top -- on the top two rates. it will hurt small businesses. will hurt our economy. >> taxing the rich hurts small business, yes, the very familiar offerings of one mitt romney. losing presidential candidate. who will be enjoying a free government lunch tomorrow at the white house at the invitation of the president. not sure what will be on the menu, but many are betting on a generous serving of crow with a beet salad. let's go to our panel, with him y william cohen, and here in new york is msnbc political analyst jonathan alter, also a columnist for the "bloomberg view." the president is pressing his case hard for a deal on middle class tax relief. secretary geithner will head to the hill. is john boehner now facing the rising tide against his yacht owners and the like? >> i think he is. a 60-37 margin on supporting raising taxes
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